FORUM KNIFE | LE (PART DEUX)
Forumites,
I created a list of all the current BKC folders from the current BLUE and BLACK Class model lineups. Follow the directions below and answer away... Let’s see if we can narrow down a model based on poll popularity to give BM and idea of what we would prefer. (Please forgive me if I missed a model, it was not intentional, I had to use multiple sites for the model number references).
TROLL DISCLAIMER
1) BKC HAS NOT OFFICIALLY APPROVED any FORUM KNIFE and/or LIMITED EDITION model.
2) There is NO dealer involved at this point in time.
3) This thread was published solely to gauge model popularity in the event that BKC would in fact APPROVE a model for special treatment.
4) I included a choice below for a fixed knife and a HUNT line knife, however, you will have to post separately with the specific model you have in mind.
Have fun!
PM
I created a list of all the current BKC folders from the current BLUE and BLACK Class model lineups. Follow the directions below and answer away... Let’s see if we can narrow down a model based on poll popularity to give BM and idea of what we would prefer. (Please forgive me if I missed a model, it was not intentional, I had to use multiple sites for the model number references).
TROLL DISCLAIMER
1) BKC HAS NOT OFFICIALLY APPROVED any FORUM KNIFE and/or LIMITED EDITION model.
2) There is NO dealer involved at this point in time.
3) This thread was published solely to gauge model popularity in the event that BKC would in fact APPROVE a model for special treatment.
4) I included a choice below for a fixed knife and a HUNT line knife, however, you will have to post separately with the specific model you have in mind.
Have fun!
PM
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PM how about a combo set a 940 & 810 made same materials ( like blue weave CF) price $450.
I'd buy 5 sets0 -
I would personally like to see the 808 dressed up in CF and M4 with a black plain edge blade. I would pick that up in a heartbeat! 0 -
Since we have to choose from the current model lineup, I went with my fav, the 810.
Specs:
- Satin PE S90V
- CNC’ed/Scalloped Carbon Fiber Scales
- Satin Barrel Spacers
- Non-Forum Knife Releasequote:Originally posted by Bill Hammer:
PM how about a combo set a 940 & 810 made same materials (like blue weave CF) price $450.
I'd buy 5 sets
I would like that as well, especially if the scales/steel matched as close as possible.. I would have liked to see a 940 in M390 before they completely start phasing it out for the American made equivalent (-20CV)..
(And yes, I know they are similar on paper, I just would have liked a set).0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bill Hammer:
PM how about a combo set a 940 & 810 made same materials ( like blue weave CF) price $450.
I'd buy 5 sets
Blue Weave Carbon Fiber would be the key for me as we have so many plain CF handles already. It would be nice in S110V but if it kept costs down S90V would be great as BM already has those blade for the 940.
How about a Forum knife which just a small year or manufacture date on the blade. At $450 I could afford 1 or maybe 2 of those sets.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kyle915:
I would personally like to see the 808 dressed up in CF and M4 with a black plain edge blade. I would pick that up in a heartbeat!
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Make it DLC for the blade finish & I'm in!0 -
5400, ceracoat m4 Ti handles. 0 -
PM I too am really impressed with M390 on the 810-1401, & like to see it used on 940 & 943s.
The S90v on the 940-1 is impressive too but the grind on the 940-1501 wasn't as refined as either the 940-1 or 810-1401, hope Benchmade sticks with the M390, I'd pay the extra if their a cost difference.0 -
Really?
I am the only one that would like to see the revival of a DLC blade?
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quote:Originally posted by Lightning:
Really?
I am the only one that would like to see the revival of a DLC blade?
As long as its over a stonewashed blade then yes .........it looks really good that way .....
Remember the Ritters with DLC coating ? They were awsum to say the least.0 -
I like the choice the majority made, the 943. 0 -
I really like the carbon fiber all my benchmade knives (they just do a great job). I have both the 940-1 (and the 940-1501), but I just keep going back to carrying my regular 940 because the aluminium feels "stronger" for a working knife. So I wish 'somehow" the 940-1 could have a thinner carbon fiber handle with a liner, like my 908-1501 does. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bill Hammer:
PM I too am really impressed with M390 on the 810-1401, & like to see it used on 940 & 943s.
The S90v on the 940-1 is impressive too but the grind on the 940-1501 wasn't as refined as either the 940-1 or 810-1401,hope Benchmade sticks with the M390, I'd pay the extra if their a cost difference.
I hope so too. I’ve been thoroughly impressed with its performance so far. I was playing around with the steel comparison chart on zknives and made this:
From what I can see, there is a slight difference in Silicon (Si) content which improves strength.. However slight, it’s still a difference.
Latrobe CPM-20CV (US): 0.30
Bohler M390 (SE): 0.70
The manufacturing processes are different as well. Bohler-Uddeholm uses 3rd gen PM process, and I believe Crucible uses 1st gen PM.. In the end, everything depends on proper heat treat, and proper manufacturing techniques... But on paper, I’d give the edge to M390 in regard to toughness. However slight.0 -
Aren't you guys tired of 940s yet?! OMG! 
A G-10 520 with M390 would be awesome.
So would a 477-X with special anodizing and M390...or even G-10 and M390.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Po:
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A G-10 520 with M390 would be awesome.
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I like the way you think, brother.
I've been asking about that for years.
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quote:Originally posted by Bill Hammer:
PM how about a combo set a 940 & 810 made same materials ( like blue weave CF) price $450.
I'd buy 5 sets
THIS ^0 -
Besides my CF spec’d 810, I’d like to see this 810 someday:
- Satin/Stonewash Bohler M390/S90V
- Sandblasted/oil finished Titanium Scales, with CNC-Machined 810 scalloped pattern
- Stainless barrel spacers/Hardware
- Ti Deep Carry Clip
That would be amazing
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quote:Originally posted by Trailboss:quote:Originally posted by Po:
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A G-10 520 with M390 would be awesome.
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I like the way you think, brother.
I've been asking about that for years.
Interesting, exactly like I voted (or was it 20cv? Can't remember now...), but with DLC blade.0 -
PO I won't be tied of 940s
I want at least 2 with every G-10 & CF handle color the stuff comes in.0 -
A 943 Forum knife is intriguing. With Ti scales. yum! 0 -
I want a 14205 (yeah, I know it won't happen...) with a stonewashed DLC S90V blade and black and blue G10. 0 -
My only complaint about the 522 is the handle and blade material. swap those out and I think it would be a great little knife. I love the blade shape, but not the 440C. I think the handles would do well with G10 as well. Anybody with me? (you have to admit, it'd be more special than a rehash of something like they've made 10+ years ago.. 941D2CF anybody?) 0 -
quote:Originally posted by something:
I want a 14205 (yeah, I know it won't happen...) with a stonewashed DLC S90V blade and black and blue G10.
I'm not crazy about the black and blue color scheme, but that would be cool anyway.quote:Originally posted by Carson:
My only complaint about the 522 is the handle and blade material. swap those out and I think it would be a great little knife. I love the blade shape, but not the 440C. I think the handles would do well with G10 as well. Anybody with me? (you have to admit, it'd be more special than a rehash of something like they've made 10+ years ago.. 941D2CF anybody?)
Carson, put that scales pattern in G10, and a 520 blade in that handle, and I am in for several.0 -
I could go for that too, Trailboss. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Trailboss:quote:Originally posted by something:
I want a 14205 (yeah, I know it won't happen...) with a stonewashed DLC S90V blade and black and blue G10.
I'm not crazy about the black and blue color scheme, but that would be cool anyway.quote:Originally posted by Carson:
My only complaint about the 522 is the handle and blade material. swap those out and I think it would be a great little knife. I love the blade shape, but not the 440C. I think the handles would do well with G10 as well. Anybody with me? (you have to admit, it'd be more special than a rehash of something like they've made 10+ years ago.. 941D2CF anybody?)
Carson, put that scales pattern in G10, and a 520 blade in that handle, and I am in for several.
Wouldn't that just be a 520 with G10 scales?
I thought the only real difference between the Pres and the Ultra (besides blade steel) was the scales...0 -
quote:Originally posted by Lightning:quote:Originally posted by Trailboss:quote:Originally posted by something:
I want a 14205 (yeah, I know it won't happen...) with a stonewashed DLC S90V blade and black and blue G10.
I'm not crazy about the black and blue color scheme, but that would be cool anyway.quote:Originally posted by Carson:
My only complaint about the 522 is the handle and blade material. swap those out and I think it would be a great little knife. I love the blade shape, but not the 440C. I think the handles would do well with G10 as well. Anybody with me? (you have to admit, it'd be more special than a rehash of something like they've made 10+ years ago.. 941D2CF anybody?)
Carson, put that scales pattern in G10, and a 520 blade in that handle, and I am in for several.
Wouldn't that just be a 520 with G10 scales?
I thought the only real difference between the Pres and the Ultra (besides blade steel) was the scales...
The 522 has a bit different blade grind than the 520. Little fancier on the 520.
Kind of like the 581 vs the 580.
I voted 943 and it's still probably my first choice but I could be happy with a 520, I think.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Painstakingly Meticulous:quote:Originally posted by Bill Hammer:
PM I too am really impressed with M390 on the 810-1401, & like to see it used on 940 & 943s.
The S90v on the 940-1 is impressive too but the grind on the 940-1501 wasn't as refined as either the 940-1 or 810-1401,hope Benchmade sticks with the M390, I'd pay the extra if their a cost difference.
I hope so too. I’ve been thoroughly impressed with its performance so far. I was playing around with the steel comparison chart on zknives and made this:
From what I can see, there is a slight difference in Silicon (Si) content which improves strength.. However slight, it’s still a difference.
Latrobe CPM-20CV (US): 0.30
Bohler M390 (SE): 0.70
The manufacturing processes are different as well. Bohler-Uddeholm uses 3rd gen PM process, and I believe Crucible uses 1st gen PM.. In the end, everything depends on proper heat treat, and proper manufacturing techniques... But on paper, I’d give the edge to M390 in regard to toughness. However slight.
I think what it is not covered is the size of powder particle and how they sinter them. I'm not 100% sure to quantify this, but it is more important than few percentage of difference in content of alloy. Needless to state that heat treatment will be another big difference.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Mobile Firelord:
I think what it is not covered is the size of powder particle and how they sinter them. I'm not 100% sure to quantify this, but it is more important than few percentage of difference in content of alloy. Needless to state that heat treatment will be another big difference.
That’s true, I wanted to find out more about that as well.. I looked at Crucible’s website, however, all of their CPM descriptions did not list the particle range sizes.
Bohler-Uddeholm had this:quote:Bohler PM Description from Website:
High Alloy Steels will gain improved properties by increasing the solidification rate. This gives a fine microstructure and small, well-distributed carbides in the matrix.
During Powder Metallurgy (PM), the melt stream is atomised by nitrogen gas into small droplets with an average size of 50-100 µm. The powder is filled into capsules directly in order to avoid contamination. With hot isostatic pressing (HIP), the powder is consolidated to 100% density.
By using a special refining sequence, the cleanliness of the molten steel is improved prior to atomisation. This results in improved mechanical properties and an extremely low non-metallic inclusion level (SuperClean™).
The HIP'ed PM capsules are hot forged and rolled to smaller bar sizes followed by heat treatment and machining.
PM steels are used in very demanding applications within cold work, plastic and cutting tools.
PM Excerpt from B/U Website
zknives had this within their PM description:quote:zknives PM Bohler Excerpt:
Bohler-Uddeholm's 3rd generation PM process results in powder size of 250µm with carbide sizes of 2-4µm. Both, powder and grain size will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer. Short list of PM process benefits includes refined grain size, improved toughness, wear resistance, grindability, consistent heat treatment response, etc.0 -
Why 730 Ares is not an option? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mhasman:
Why 730 Ares is not an option?quote:Originally posted by Painstakingly Meticulous:
I created a list of all the current BKC folders from the current BLUE and BLACK Class models0 -
I want OEM mini-Grip handles! We've had access to great steels; S30V, M4, M390 and others but not scales. Yes, there were Ti scales on Gold class knives but these were both rare and unaffordable. So my vote was carbon fiber with DLC on M4. I would be happy with G10 like the REI full size Grip but carbon fiber like on the late model 770 just looks so cool. 0
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