Problems with 710-3 ???
Has anyone had or heard of problems with the new 710-3 blade hitting the stand offs when closing?
Saw one on the bay for sell with a spork and flashlight that says it has a chip in the blade from hitting the stand offs.
I thought with the axis lock design this was not possible, when design correctly as there is a fixed stop point (unlike other designs where you can overcome the spring force and close it too far).
Saw one on the bay for sell with a spork and flashlight that says it has a chip in the blade from hitting the stand offs.
I thought with the axis lock design this was not possible, when design correctly as there is a fixed stop point (unlike other designs where you can overcome the spring force and close it too far).
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I've had 3 different 710's and even my friends 710 had to be sent back to Bechmade for this particular reason. Also it seems other prople from other forums have had this problem with the 710-3 already.
It may be due to the fact that the handle is not wide enough to house the blade and that its stopping point when closed is in fact right where the G10 backspacer or Standoffs rest.0 -
The 710 has been around a loooooong time (1998?). Any problems like that would have been tweaked out years ago. The blade and springs push the Axis pin up against the top of the slot while closing, so there shouldn't even be any slop there that would allow the blade to travel too far. I'm skeptical, but who knows. 0 -
My 710-3 has the slightest of chips, (almost need a magnifying lens to see it) in the area of the blade that is directly above the standoff. That being said the "chip" is only barely visible from one side of the blade and pretty much none existant from the other. You can feel it with your fingernail and I don't believe it was caused from any use, (only had it in my pocket this week and only opened some mail with it).
I've checked the knife from every angle and with numerous light sources and in the closed position I can't see that the blade is actually touching the stand off.
Even if it is barely touching wouldn't this go away completely after a few sharpenings?0 -
I think the issue is probably more likely related to the diameter of the new standoff than the stop method of the blade. Quite simply, maybe the new stand offs are too big. 0 -
It could have hit the standoffs in an attempted blade swap. I've nicked a couple standoffs in that manner early on, by Removing the pivot while the blade was closed.
Or if this is a common problem, perhaps BM is not removing enough material during the sharpening on some of the blades.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Badhammer:
My 710-3 has the slightest of chips, (almost need a magnifying lens to see it) in the area of the blade that is directly above the standoff. That being said the "chip" is only barely visible from one side of the blade and pretty much none existant from the other. You can feel it with your fingernail and I don't believe it was caused from any use, (only had it in my pocket this week and only opened some mail with it).
That sounds more like a rolled edge than a chip, especially if you can feel it on one side but not he other. Some light sharpening will fix that. If it keeps happening in the same spot, then the standoff might be the issue. It cold be the standoff dia. is too big.0 -
I think loony might be right. Those standoffs might have a bigger OD than any before. Plus thier fluted so..might be taller if spun this way or that. 0 -
If the standoff is twisted in the right position and you slam the blade closed, as in flicking it shut it can hit. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by loonybin:quote:Originally posted by Badhammer:
My 710-3 has the slightest of chips, (almost need a magnifying lens to see it) in the area of the blade that is directly above the standoff. That being said the "chip" is only barely visible from one side of the blade and pretty much none existant from the other. You can feel it with your fingernail and I don't believe it was caused from any use, (only had it in my pocket this week and only opened some mail with it).
That sounds more like a rolled edge than a chip, especially if you can feel it on one side but not he other. Some light sharpening will fix that. If it keeps happening in the same spot, then the standoff might be the issue. It cold be the standoff dia. is too big.
When I said you could feel it with your fingernail I meant running the nail along the edge. You can feel it catch. You can't SEE it very easily from one side. It's quite small and seems be be more out of one side than the other. Regardless I don't see it as an issue unless it continues after sharpening or gets worse.0 -
My 710-3 doesn't have the problem. My blade is nowhere near the standoffs...even if I push on the blade. 0 -
Being a newbie (this and a 707 being my first BM purchases) I checked mine out and there is a small nick, and it too as others have said, is more prevalent on one side. It's a small defect, only affecting some of the height of the grind, and really looks more as if it has been pushed from a 45 degree angle.
There appears to be miles of daylight between the blade and the stand off - even if you were to rotate the fluted stand-off, I don't think any part of the blade in that general vicinity, will be anywhere near touching.
From what others have said, it's the axis lock and blade near the pivot itself, that is the "stop" on the knife. Even if that stop were not adjusted on my knife, one of the thumb-studs is hitting the frame anyway (the other has plenty of daylight).
Rob.0 -
quote:Originally posted by fastjan:
My 710-3 doesn't have the problem. My blade is nowhere near the standoffs...even if I push on the blade.
Same here.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dj:quote:Originally posted by fastjan:
My 710-3 doesn't have the problem. My blade is nowhere near the standoffs...even if I push on the blade.
Same here.
Me three. I can't make the blade on mine touch the standoffs. I tried, and it's still a good ways off the standoffs.0 -
Just got mine today. It hits. Doesn't look like it will when you look between the liners but it sure does. Ahh well.
It rolled the edge once, I sharpened and then rotated the standoff but it rolled the edge again in the same spot.
All boxed up and tomorrow back to Oregon.0 -
quote:Originally posted by fastjan:
My 710-3 doesn't have the problem. My blade is nowhere near the standoffs...even if I push on the blade.
Ditto, my blade is nowhere near the standoffs, if u future buyers have any concern of your blade touching, call KW before and have them check.. My bro did that and his is perfect too0 -
These standoffs are actually spacers; because they are not threaded.
Standoff = Threaded; Spacer = Not threaded
The inside diameter of the spacer is larger than the diameter of the screw going through it.
So, the the spacer can be moved very slightly in any/all directions.
I would try loosening all the screws.
Then Open the blade and lay the knife on it's back.
Next take a narrow thin object.
I use a drill bit or an allen wrench.
Put it in between the liners and down on to the spacer.
Carefully push the spacer down toward the table.
Hold slight pressure there while at the same time tightening the screw.
This may or may not fix the problem.
But, it has worked before for me.0 -
Thanks for the helpful tip Keyman, But I don't feel I should pay $180 for a pocket knife and then have to mess with it just to make it work properly. Just sayin'. 0 -
I hear ya.
Just tryin' to help.0 -
You could always send it back to Benchmade for a warranty fix. They probably have the standoffs that Keyman mentioned. They don't slide around like the spacers and they might be smaller in diameter.quote:Originally posted by Crazyhorse:
Thanks for the helpful tip Keyman, But I don't feel I should pay $180 for a pocket knife and then have to mess with it just to make it work properly. Just sayin'.
You can also get aftermarket standoffs and replace the spacers yourself. I buy them at Knifekits and they are nicely threaded.0 -
It sucks that they can't build the knife right in the first place...and what is quality control looking at? You have a known problem but still can't look for it? I won't be buying one of these until the problems are fixed...it isn't a cheap knife either. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Lord Jim:
It sucks that they can't build the knife right in the first place...and what is quality control looking at? You have a known problem but still can't look for it? I won't be buying one of these until the problems are fixed...it isn't a cheap knife either.
So, since all of the knives are at one distributor vs many, why not pull them in and check them..You can always say "temporarily out of stock" and then offer them again. I think you risk dis-enchanting the faithful by waiting for the "bad ones" to surface. Mine is on it's way back to it's birthplace.
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quote:Originally posted by Lord Jim:
It sucks that they can't build the knife right in the first place...and what is quality control looking at? You have a known problem but still can't look for it? I won't be buying one of these until the problems are fixed...it isn't a cheap knife either.
Yea, it's not even quality control, it's design validation. This should have been caught with the first prototypes.
Good question: what is the diameter of the spacer and what is the height of the old back spacers? If the diameter of the spacer is the same as the height of a long back spacer then Keyman is right, adjusting fit of the internal hole will work.0 -
My two new ones in M4 are OK.
The 710 blade shape has changed much through the yrs,
None of my 710's are close to the spacers.
Its just fun looking at the blade shape of a 154cm blade compared to the new M4 blade.
They are not very close.
The early blades have more character, newer M4 blades a bit toned down.
Just my 2.0 -
Just picked up a 710-3 and it is fine. No issues. Great knife. Got me thinking why I would need anything more than this piece.
If I was going to complain, it would have to be the clip. Black oxide would have been preferred.0 -
quote:Originally posted by DB_sharply:
Just picked up a 710-3 and it is fine. No issues. Great knife. Got me thinking why I would need anything more than this piece.
If I was going to complain, it would have to be the clip. Black oxide would have been preferred.
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I tossed all my painted clips out, and replaced all 16with black oxide lol
Gotta love the wear on oxide USA clips
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I agree, there's not much to complain about with the 710-3. I did, however swap out the factory clip for a nice after-market deep-carry clip that I got out of DJ's stash. Luckily, the new clip is almost the color of the clear Ceracote blade.quote:Originally posted by DB_sharply:
Just picked up a 710-3 and it is fine. No issues. Great knife. Got me thinking why I would need anything more than this piece.
If I was going to complain, it would have to be the clip. Black oxide would have been preferred.
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